I don’t get the purpose of this post. The title and what you listed are not the same thing.
You listed a mix of apps and wine versions, all those usually assume you already have wine to satisfy dependencies, that’s not how to install wine.
You install wine (staging for gaming) from your distro repositories.
Thanks :)
Yeah it’s disheartening to see how many in this thread are in favor of violence, especially in a case like this where there are much better answers to what’s happening.
I’m not US and my country doesn’t have such a law, can’t fight foreign laws.
I’m not fighting the dev either and I don’t approve harassment, I’m just switching to non-systemd distro, that’s the best message anyone can send against this.
I can burn down your house (maybe with your dog/cat/family inside) and you won’t wish ill on me?
I would call the police and have you arrested for sure, I would never think you should die for it.
If you ever wished ill upon another human being
You should have stopped here, because no reason is ever a good reason for wishing ill upon another human being, no matter the argument.
People harassing and doxxing are rotten inside, no matter the reason.
for complying with a relatively inconsequential law
No, just no, it’s not inconsequential and it’s not the entire world, as usual US thinks they’re the only country in the world, other countries exist that don’t have such a law.
Just stop using systemd, it’s even more effective than acting like a coward keyboard warrior.
You know what, at this point they can totally fuck systemd and I won’t care anymore.
Half of my machines were running sysvinit already, I’m freeing from systemd the other half, also exploring other Linux distros that took a stance against this and even BSD.
If everything fails, there’s always Linux from scratch.
“How dare this person follow the law. ;(”
The law requires an operating system provider to provide the age.
Is systemd an OS provider? NO.
They didn’t do it for the law. Especially since the law doesn’t require to do it before next year.
Age verification will definitely give Meta more data, even without a government ID, because noone today can precisely profile everyone into age for target ads or other purposes.
What it also does is shifting responsibility for what Meta does on their platforms to someone else, so they can avoid fines.
Systemd is NOT an operating system provider, so they didn’t have to do absolutely anything.
It was their choice to do what they did, not the law, especially since it won’t be active and enforceable before next year.
Witch hunts are despicable indeed but lets not use that an an excuse to justify what they did.
Your entire premise is wrong, because these laws have nothing to do with protecting citizens, they’re made to protect Meta from accountability and fines.
Reasoning around a false premise doesn’t make any sense, unless you’re trying to gaslight people.
Linux runs the entire internet, a good part of corporate-level servers and it dominates the supercomputing space, you can’t get more mainstream than that.
As for desktop use, most people around the world don’t know what an operating system is, some even believe the browser IS the internet.
With such tech-illiteracy there’s no way Linux can be widely adopted, because no opensource project can beat Microsoft commercial power in “convincing” PC vendors to offer it preinstalled, yes a few do, but they’re very scarce compared to those offering Windows, some even claim you will break the warranty if you install something different than what comes preinstalled (Windows), such a claim is illegal in many countries but some people don’t know any better.
If you don’t know what an OS is, you have no reason to change, unless you’re lucky and have a friend or family member doing the work for you, but you can’t rely on that for the entire world.
What systemd does here is offer a solution to secure it centrally
It doesn’t as long as other init systems exist and people can luckily choose, hopefully that will always be the case.
Here’s to hoping this entire discussion becomes just as pointless as you expect the PR to become
Agree on that, I think that’s the hope for everyone here.
Yes, anything can be abused nowadays, but you can’t cut yourself off technology, unless you want to live as a hermit, I’m pretty sure none of us wants that.
And no, I’ve never given my ID to anyone that’s not my government, and I won’t, if they classify me as a teen because of it, so be it.
Yes, what systemd is currently doing is pretty innocent compared to other things, I believe that’s on purpose so people can easily accept it and they can do worse later. Corporations are behind this, don’t forget that.
Doesn’t change the fact that it needs to be stored somewhere, if the maintainers end up facing legal pressure to implement it
Sure, but trying to apply it to the entire world when only a few countries are currently impacted is fishy at best.
And no, we don’t know yet what the entire world will do about it, even if Meta is trying to lobby everyone, there’s also a push for making opensource exempt from it, in that case those applying the PR have worked for nothing.
Are you going to oppose every other system that allows storing data too, because it might be used to store data for age verification?
It depends, if the purpose is age verification then yes I will oppose it.
There are legitimate, reasonable complaints to have with systemd.
I didn’t have any so far, for the very simple reason that I don’t have the technical knowledge to judge by myself. This PR tho doesn’t require any tech knowledge to understand what’s going on.
“We added a data field, which we’re trying to make sure doesn’t end up in the wrong hands”
The road to hell is paved with good intentions, even tho by reading the PR thread I’m not sure the intentions behind the push are actually good as you seem to believe.
Fuck these laws, and fuck the fascists using kids as pretense for surveillance
That’s something I fully agree with.
FOSS isn’t as independent as we believe it is
Some parts are indeed sponsored by corporations, that’s not a bad thing per se because financial support is important.
Problems arise when corporations push changes solely for their own interest instead of the benefit of the community, this PR seems to be that case.
It does provide a standard and (somewhat) central place
That would be the case if everyone used systemd, but it’s not, sysvinit distros still exist and they’re not going away in the foreseeable future.
I don’t think this is the hill that battle should be fought on.
I could agree with this if the reason for this PR wasn’t age verification, that’s indeed a battle that needs to be fought, on every piece of the puzzle.
Luckily for me, that’s not the only option, especially since I’m not US.
There is indeed a philosophical part to it around the “do one thing and do it well”, but what you call “fear” is not an totally unfounded concern, in that it’s true that the more complex a piece of software is, the more complex maintenance also is.
But you need serious technical knowledge to fully understand everything that systemd does compared to sysvinit, what are the advantages of this new system and how much its complexity can actually affect maintenance (or not).
I don’t have that kind of knowledge, you could explain to me all the technical advantages systemd has but I wouldn’t be able to understand them, so I just trust distro maintainers in doing what they believe it’s best for their distro and I never considered the init system as a parameter to choose what distro I want to use, I just use what’s in the distro.
Now it’s different, because adding a field to comply with a moronic law pushed by Meta to avoid fines has truly nothing to do with technical reasoning, you don’t need any tech knowledge to understand that, anyone can.
Because those fields exist already
I’ve been using Linux for many years and not even once I’ve seen those info being requested by the operating system.
Otherwise, you’d have to ban me from creating text files
There’s a huge difference between YOU putting your info by your own accord wherever you want (look at what people do on Facebook) and an operating system requesting those.
In case you didn’t notice, this whole ordeal is pushed by Meta to avoid being accountable for the shit they do on their platforms, they’re trying to shift the responsibility to operating systems of all things, and that’s not acceptable.
Wouldn’t the same logic apply to systemd that’s controlled by RedHat?
They merged the PR regardless of many contributors being against it, silenced discussions about it and immediately closed another PR submitted for reverting the change.
That’s corporate behavior, not community.
That’s the main reason that made me distrust them and jump ship, way more than the field itself.