• 𝕲𝖑𝖎𝖙𝖈𝖍🔻𝕯𝖃 (he/him)@lemmy.world
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    7 days ago

    Part of what I’m complaining about is that groups following an ideology often give themselves names and descriptions that do not accurately describe the ideology. If we accept that and use the labels they gave themselves, then we distort what those words even mean and language is useless.

    Imma cherry pick some definitions in order to best make my current point.

    Liberal. Adjective.

    Favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.

    Open-minded or tolerant, especially free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.

    Conservative. Adjective.

    Disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.

    I don’t think I need to do a section on “fascist”.


    Also also, the word “neoliberal” is absolute syllable salad to me. It’s like it’s trying to pretend to be one thing, but is actually the polar opposite of it. It’s a case of a movement naming itself without regard to what the fuck the word actually means and therefore it doesn’t mean a damn thing. Neoliberal is a name, not a description, for diet republicans.

    • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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      7 days ago

      Liberal. Adjective.

      Favorable to progress or reform

      That’s literally Progressivism. Which ISN’T Liberalism.

      Open-minded or tolerant

      That’s 1700s Classical Liberalism, when compared to the ultra-authoritarian norms of the time.

      Modern Liberalism AKA Neoliberalism is an economic philosophy that is very much capitalist and authoritarian.

      Conservative. Adjective.

      Disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc

      Correct

      , or to restore traditional ones

      Nope, that’s regression. Easy mistake to make when everyone calling themselves conservative for the past half century have actually been regressive.

      and to limit change.

      Correct.

      Also also, the word “neoliberal” is absolute syllable salad to me.

      Bolded the significant part. The “neo” part is there for a reason, as described above.

      It’s like it’s trying to pretend to be one thing, but is actually the polar opposite of it.

      Nope. Neoliberalism is economically Liberal and can be socially progressive, neutral (most of the DNC) or conservative (most “moderate” Republicans)

      It’s a case of a movement naming itself without regard to what the fuck whether or not glitchdx understands what the word actually means and therefore it doesn’t mean a damn thing to glitchdx

      Fixed it for you.

      • MagnificentSteiner@lemmy.zip
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        6 days ago
        , or to restore traditional ones
        

        Nope, that’s regression. Easy mistake to make when everyone calling themselves conservative for the past half century have actually been regressive.

        Isn’t that reactionary/reactionism?

        • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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          6 days ago

          Nope, being reactionary means that your actioned and/or opinions are reactions to the actions/opinions of others rather than proactive ie what others react to.

          Being regressive, on the other hand, means wanting to regress to a previous state, such as wanting to roll back social progress or otherwise return to how things used to be.

          MAGA being a classic example of revisionist regressive ideology pretending that everything was better back when minorities and other vulnerable groups of people didn’t have as many/any rights.