• Aequitas@feddit.orgBanned from community
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    1 day ago

    you’re saying “death to Israel/America” in general somehow has islamist roots

    Once again, you are accusing me of something I neither said nor intended.

    No shit they want people dead

    So why all this stupid hostility? Then you agree with me that when Islamists say “Death to America,” they don’t just mean the American state. My argument all along is that the phrase “Death to X” is ambiguous, is used ambiguously, and prompts different people to take different actions. To be honest, I don’t know what there is to discuss. Even here in this thread, you see people who agree with the “death to US Americans” interpretation rather than “Dissolve the US”. The same applies to “Death to Israel.” Hamas, for example, also does not follow the interpretation that you would like to consider the only sensible one when it kills innocent civilians in Israel. If that’s not literal, then I don’t know what is. I provide empirical evidence that suggests a literal interpretation, while you simply post links that demonstrate that there are other interpretations as well. Which precisely underscores my argument of ambiguity. Do you just want to burn straw men here?

    “Death to Israel” will always be ambiguous. It is a slogan intended to provoke. At least when it is used by Muricans (or other westeners). And then tears about the evil and intentionally wrong interpretations of the other side are shed when the provocation succeeds, which was the plan from the outset. It’s the same tactic you hear from Karoline Leavitt every other day. Here in Sauerkrautland, the fascists are doing the same thing, of course. But it’s a pathetic tactic for leftists. That’s why you mostly hear it from internet edglords or armchair revolutionaries.

    • Unruffled [they/them]@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      1 day ago

      Here in Sauerkrautland, the fascists are doing the same thing, of course.

      Are they? Or are you just bringing the same brain dead energy as US centrist libs who like to claim that anti fascists are the same as fascists somehow? The one thing most Germans can agree on is that Israel “has done bad things” but that the Palestinians are “terrorist scum” who deserve whatever punishment Israel dishes out. That’s your Zionist mindset in a nutshell.

      […] But, by pushing anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, and anti-Palestinian laws to the political forefront, AfD has already mainstreamed its agenda and changed the country.

      The right has pushed the boundaries of what is acceptable, manipulating Germany’s culture of reckoning with its past into a commitment to defend Israel at all costs and no matter how extreme its actions. This proxy nationalism is defended by an unholy alliance of right, left, and center. Almost all German political parties, media, police, citizenship authorities, and even universities and cultural institutions are working together to suppress activists, scholars, and even the UN’s special rapporteur.

      “I was really shocked by the political pressure on the universities and the anti-Palestinian racism, and I intend to write a report about it,” Albanese, the U.N. rapporteur, told Drop Site after the event. “It’s clear that there is racism against the Palestinians here, negating their identity.”

      Under the mayoralty of Kai Wegner of the conservative Christian Democrats—whose party is predicted to lead in Sunday’s national elections—the city of Berlin has turned into a flashpoint for cracking down on pro-Palestinian speech, with protesters regularly brutalized, including Jewish students at a university occupation and women at marches protesting violence against women, as well as at a memorial for people killed by a right-wing terrorist.