Honestly that’s fair enough, it definitely could use a professional UX pass. Cheers for giving it a shot though :)

Oh wow, I wasn’t expecting it to be that old. That’s actually quite impressive you’re able to keep it functioning that long, are you still able to get battery replacements?

Sucks that the PWA isn’t able to cut it. Perhaps you might have better luck with Fluxer when that releases a mobile app? (I think its only offering a PWA for now as well).

Hey, quick update, the Fluxer dev has agreed to remove the CLA, so I’d say that puts it back in the running.

It’d be pretty easy to quickly test. If it runs okay in your phone’s browser, it’ll run okay as a PWA.

Alternatively, you could use a native XMPP mobile app, which would allow you to access the same servers and chats as you could from Movim. The only downside is that the mobile apps available are lagging behind Movim’s feature set. They can do 1 on 1 audio/video calls, but cannot yet join a group call or screenshare. Depending on your needs, that may or may not be adequate.

Yes, it’s an open-standard that anyone can create a client for. Here’s a good presentation with more details on XMPP itself, if you’re interested :)

The Movim client for XMPP can do all of those functions as a one-stop shop. It can even do screensharing with audio passthrough (though you need to use a chromium based browser to pass the application audio in the stream). I think it’s easily out best option right now.

Movim doesn’t cost anything and is federated (just like piefed/lemmy are). It also offers really solid encryption for privacy. I’d say it’s out best long-term option.

EDIT: The Fluxer dev has agreed to remove the CLA!

I was just informed today of a huge red flag for Fluxer; it has a contributor CLA that could allow it to change to a non-FLOSS license in the future. I was hopeful for it previously, but that kills it for me.

Also @64bithero@lemmy.world

I’ll be sticking with Movim, which is already federated, encrypted, can do group video calls, can even screenshare, and most critically does not have a CLA.

Movim would be a good one to try. It’s actually more full featured than Stoat as well, as it offers Encryption, Federation (XMPP), group video/audio calls, and screensharing with application audio! (must use a chromium based browser to pass the audio for now). It is currently missing Discord-like channels with rooms, but the dev is actively working on that.

Stoat currently cannot do video calls or screensharing, and has no plans to implement encryption or federation, AFAIK.

Also @astropenguin5@lemmy.world, @Pika@sh.itjust.works and @betahack@lemmy.world

Check out the Movim client for XMPP, it allows it perform group video/audio calls, and even has screen sharing! (though you need to use a chromium browser to share the audio of an application for now). And the dev is currently working on implementing Discord-style channels with collections of rooms.

I have offered to do a lot of education and technical effort surrounding this, e.g. helping groups migrate in some of the circles I’m involved with and all it’s really gotten me is abuse and condescension, bafflingly. No one cares and if they do it’s mostly superficial and they want the easiest way out—someone/something do everything for me, and I mean everything. I don’t want to click more than two buttons and even that is pushing it, buster.

Oh no, a second program!! We are all so dependent on tech in our lives but it seems like so many want nothing to do with being informed about it on any level…I just don’t get it.

I feel this in my soul, and it’s something I’ve noticed a lot on reddit when trying to tell people that lemmy/piefed exist. Some of them will just find any reason whatsoever to not do something, pointing out the most minor of differences or slightest inconveniences as insurmountable obstacles that no human could be expected to overcome, and usually end it with “if It’s not already perfect/better than what I’m currently using (despite the alternative not being actively user-hostile like the thing they’re using and complain about is) I’m not going to bother”.

I’m just going back to xmpp, maybe mumble for voice calls.

With the Movim client (or Dino client), XMPP can do group voice/video calls :D