Btw, @Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com this is a case in point of what I was referring to. @AntiBullyRanger@ani.social is in one of the lefties that is saying we should ignore voting. They are not wrong that the dems don’t represent us, but they are also not willing to show up to primaries to move them as left as possible, nor will they likely be interested in splitting. I’d like to be wrong, but it is all to common on lemmy.
Which means the meme will hold and we will still be left with no influence for another election cycle. Its a massive unforced error to ignore elections. They are not the end all be all, but they will add credibility to our movement. Being able to get millions of followers to show up one day to tick some lines on a paper means you are also able to get them to organize in other ways too. We only hurt our own credibility and presence in peoples minds. As our own party or subsection of the dems (like the tea party of sorts) it does not matter; tho it would be nice to be our own faction.
I think @AntiBullyRanger@ani.social is genuine in wanting resistance, but is failing to see that in practice it will mean no resistance. I never said electoralism is all we need. I am saying that it is a form of organizing and one that bring credibility to our movement. It shows numbers and willingness to act in a way that is political and explicit in its goals.
These ultra Leftists will cry for communism but haven’t done shit to build it from the ground up. They will criticize Progressives and Dem Socs for organizing while they themselves remain as keyboard warriors.
I think Lenin made it very clear that we are to operate within the existing societal systems before any revolution is had. That means voting. And as you point out, that also means primary-ing bad Democrats.
Never said to ignore elections. Stop with this strawman ultra Leftist bullshit
Lot of our fellow lefties on lemmy do. Stick around and you will see the “you think you can vote your way out”.
I wouldn’t say elections will solve everything, but we keep neglecting it as a form of organization to our own detriment.
When are Dems&Reps going to stop killing us?
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Btw, @Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com this is a case in point of what I was referring to. @AntiBullyRanger@ani.social is in one of the lefties that is saying we should ignore voting. They are not wrong that the dems don’t represent us, but they are also not willing to show up to primaries to move them as left as possible, nor will they likely be interested in splitting. I’d like to be wrong, but it is all to common on lemmy.
Which means the meme will hold and we will still be left with no influence for another election cycle. Its a massive unforced error to ignore elections. They are not the end all be all, but they will add credibility to our movement. Being able to get millions of followers to show up one day to tick some lines on a paper means you are also able to get them to organize in other ways too. We only hurt our own credibility and presence in peoples minds. As our own party or subsection of the dems (like the tea party of sorts) it does not matter; tho it would be nice to be our own faction.
So, you want to bomb us again?
How many more McCarthyism do you need to comprehend your electors are bought and paid for?
Bro if you can’t be bothered to vote I have no confidence you will show up to back me up with a rifle.
Wait, you legit believe popular votes actually elect presidents‽
I don’t even want riffles when you have comrades suffering in deathcamps.
Are you going to join me in demolishing one?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but are you saying your position is “don’t vote don’t resist”? Because that’s what this sounds like.
Read my profile for awhile.
I am saying something far more clear InternetCitizen2 is unwilling to commit.
I think @AntiBullyRanger@ani.social is genuine in wanting resistance, but is failing to see that in practice it will mean no resistance. I never said electoralism is all we need. I am saying that it is a form of organizing and one that bring credibility to our movement. It shows numbers and willingness to act in a way that is political and explicit in its goals.
These ultra Leftists will cry for communism but haven’t done shit to build it from the ground up. They will criticize Progressives and Dem Socs for organizing while they themselves remain as keyboard warriors.
I think Lenin made it very clear that we are to operate within the existing societal systems before any revolution is had. That means voting. And as you point out, that also means primary-ing bad Democrats.