Because your government keeps killing us?

And your actions are to disengage?

Like I have said. I agree with you on taking down the camps that are being used to hold immigrants, but I am doubtful that people with your mindset are even going to show up. If you cannot be bothered to organize and fill out a paper every so often its not credible that you will be putting much in a more direct form of resistance. I really just don’t see how you will have more courage in a battle of blair mountain type scenario if you are this afraid of filling out a paper.

Elections are still one front in the class war and it is foolish of us to ignore it.

I have elaborated about as much as I care to for a social media post. Now I am assuming you are interested in seeing real change. If I am right it would be in your interest to have a real dialog with your allies about a course of action (I will note that you have neglected to provide one). Until then I don’t think lefties like you are serious about things.

You could be demolishing fash companies too

We should be doing lots of things and can do more than one thing at a time.

but I am sure a lobbyist like you knows more on how to be effective in fascist states.

This implys you don’t look to be effective in your actions.

look at what fascists are doing this election too.

And your take is to just step out of their way? Strange resistance, but lmk how that works out for your company captain.

Sure, but our modern fellow lefties do discourage trying.

For example in this thread @AntiBullyRanger@ani.social was asking why we no longer have a black panther party all while telling me all the reasons why they are not interested in showing up to vote.

Engaging in elections is still one way we can engage in the public space and start to make some changes in a favorable direction. We can’t keep wondering why electoralism is not in our favor if we are also not even trying.

Like i said in the other side of the thread; if you can get your supporters to show up and vote you have credibility to mobilize for other things.

That question has already been answered early on.

In fairness, the party opposes primary challengers from the left

True, but that doesn’t mean we should roll over because there is opposition. We should keep trying to primary. And we should build out as much of an independent party as we can.

It is our movement. We are the ones building it. And we should have done more of this decades ago.

No bub, you organize by intersecting, solidarity, and helping the ailing.

some of us can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time

You have literally asked why we don’t have a party and you have spent the thread telling me you wouldn’t vote for it. Can’t have a movement if people no show for it. Part of how you organize is elections. Anyway its getting tedious to repeat the point I am making, so unless you have something real to add this is going to be the last reply.

Again, what are the Leftist party in 🇺🇲 I can “vote for”?

None as we have neglected to form one.

“don’t vote don’t resist”

I think @AntiBullyRanger@ani.social is genuine in wanting resistance, but is failing to see that in practice it will mean no resistance. I never said electoralism is all we need. I am saying that it is a form of organizing and one that bring credibility to our movement. It shows numbers and willingness to act in a way that is political and explicit in its goals.

Bro if you can’t be bothered to vote I have no confidence you will show up to back me up with a rifle.

You may have missed some information here.

Btw, @Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com this is a case in point of what I was referring to. @AntiBullyRanger@ani.social is in one of the lefties that is saying we should ignore voting. They are not wrong that the dems don’t represent us, but they are also not willing to show up to primaries to move them as left as possible, nor will they likely be interested in splitting. I’d like to be wrong, but it is all to common on lemmy.

Which means the meme will hold and we will still be left with no influence for another election cycle. Its a massive unforced error to ignore elections. They are not the end all be all, but they will add credibility to our movement. Being able to get millions of followers to show up one day to tick some lines on a paper means you are also able to get them to organize in other ways too. We only hurt our own credibility and presence in peoples minds. As our own party or subsection of the dems (like the tea party of sorts) it does not matter; tho it would be nice to be our own faction.

Never said to ignore elections.

Lot of our fellow lefties on lemmy do. Stick around and you will see the “you think you can vote your way out”.

I wouldn’t say elections will solve everything, but we keep neglecting it as a form of organization to our own detriment.

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We should as a last resort.

The meme has a point. As leftist we haven’t done much to primary dems, nor to make a separate party. This leaves us having to pick for the lest bad option.

Its a big unforced error to ignore elections.