A lot of clients don’t have encryption enabled by default since they’ve been around for quite a long time, before this was a primary consideration in web communication standards. In these cases, like with Gajim, it is a simple toggle in the client options. I don’t use it but I assume Movim is similar.
yeah i hope matrix just fixes things up to make the experience smoother. seems to be taking them forever. it not being on by default is a nonstarter im not going to explain to my non tech friends how to encrypt their messages. this is basically the only real reason why signal is so great, its easy and preset out of the box. simplex seems good too and is making more progress than matrix it seems, idk how many users it can have in one chat though
signal is similar, the moment your friend loses their signal enc key and try to login again they will lose their chat history (same as matrix)
it’s a limitation due to the nature of E2EE
in my case while I care for E2EE, it is not enough to trust signal servers with my metadata and its the same for matrix.
XMPP looks like a good balance between owning the server, controlling how to federate and choosing what to encrypt
It is. It offers OMEMO encryption of both chats and video/audio calls. It’s based on Signal’s encryption, but modified to work with a federated/decentralized model.
Movim only offers a PWA, but there are other native Android XMPP apps, such as Monocles Chat, but it isn’t as advanced as Movim in some ways, as it’s still lacking the ability to make or receive group voice/video calls, nor can it screenshare. It is however able to make 1-on-1 calls, even with Movim users.
is movim even encrypted from what i can tell it isnt
Movim has supported OMEMO since 2021 from the looks of it.
not by default tho
A lot of clients don’t have encryption enabled by default since they’ve been around for quite a long time, before this was a primary consideration in web communication standards. In these cases, like with Gajim, it is a simple toggle in the client options. I don’t use it but I assume Movim is similar.
Can confirm, it’s just a toggle, and then you can click a padlock icon in any chat to send any new messages as encrypted.
can’t be, you need to setup your enc keys beforehand
yeah i hope matrix just fixes things up to make the experience smoother. seems to be taking them forever. it not being on by default is a nonstarter im not going to explain to my non tech friends how to encrypt their messages. this is basically the only real reason why signal is so great, its easy and preset out of the box. simplex seems good too and is making more progress than matrix it seems, idk how many users it can have in one chat though
signal is similar, the moment your friend loses their signal enc key and try to login again they will lose their chat history (same as matrix)
it’s a limitation due to the nature of E2EE
in my case while I care for E2EE, it is not enough to trust signal servers with my metadata and its the same for matrix. XMPP looks like a good balance between owning the server, controlling how to federate and choosing what to encrypt
It is. It offers OMEMO encryption of both chats and video/audio calls. It’s based on Signal’s encryption, but modified to work with a federated/decentralized model.
does it have an android app, or is it all web based
Conversations is my preferred Android client.
Conversations isn’t a Discord alternative though
Movim only offers a PWA, but there are other native Android XMPP apps, such as Monocles Chat, but it isn’t as advanced as Movim in some ways, as it’s still lacking the ability to make or receive group voice/video calls, nor can it screenshare. It is however able to make 1-on-1 calls, even with Movim users.
This sort of fragmentation is the biggest thing I dislike about XMPP. Although Matrix kind of fucked it up also when they switched mobile to Element X