Not like that matters anyway, since no one is there to enforces them. 🙄
“Uh, the people working there, saving lives.”
“That’s Socialism!”
Like education, making people healthy is a net money maker too for a society… but money man here is only interested in how he and his cronies can get rich on this. Unfortunately that’s also how most politicians think.
I am fine with not having any politicians
“The people stay healthy so they can work more.”
This is unironically why welfare states exist.
“Yeah, ok, but why am I not charging them for health? Scratch that, why am I not charging them for their own work?”
Hospitals are probably the worst example you could pick, because their true purpose is to make sure trained, able bodied workers don’t die after serious injuries or illnesses and keep the value extraction going for national or domestically located capital, which is where the profit incentive is located. It’s not altruism, they have a specific function.
It gets grim and you can see this clearly when it comes to care for older people, who for example had way more deaths than younger people during covid. Their organisms are weaker, sure, but not an insignificant part of it had to do with negligence that often seemed deliberate - lots of cases from where I’m from (lost my grandma who was still relatively healthy precisely due to this), and there are many, many similar stories if you go digging for them. After all, the elderly are just a pure expense for the state who are no longer able to be used for value extraction, it makes sense.
And ofc, their purpose becomes much more apparent once you’re looking at privatization.
https://www.pcint.org/03_LP/538/538_01_monde-apres.htm a text in French (run it through a translator it’s fine) that does talk precisely about this if anyone is interested
It reminds me of how nursing homes are operated. I know so many people whose grandparents’ homes got sold to pay for their nursing home bills. My grandma went into a nursing home with a need for PT, but otherwise fully independent. She was supposed to get out in like a month. They just kept lengthening her stay. Turns out she got there, they almost immediately declared her bed bound, and put her into a room alone. By the time we pulled her out because they were trying to admit her indefinitely, she could barely talk and she never walked again. I don’t think she was even getting her PT. But she gained her ability to talk back and boy did she have some shit to say about that place.
there isn’t any profit
This kinda touches on how universal healthcare and social programs deliver outcomes to those who don’t use those services. Unfortunately, Americans don’t understand statistics en masse, so to the average American, they just see tax dollars going to people they think didn’t work hard enough for it or don’t deserve it. “Small government” republicans think all social services should be dispensed by churches and nonprofits with no help from the fed.
The American mindset is also steeped in the notion that the US economy isn’t large enough to support everyone, thus, you have to make an underclass go without in order to keep the system running for those external to that underclass. Funny enough, good luck finding a consensus on where that line should be drawn.
It’s the whole selfless selfishness thing. It helps every individual to help others because the world isn’t a zero-sum game, more healthy happy people means more resources notionally going towards helping everyone.
But you see, externalized profits don’t count. Externalities are for losses only.
I work for a medical tech startup. I believe we are legit building things that saves lives and increase quality of life. Even the founder/CEO himself cares about the humanitarian part first. I have colleagues who left more secure high paying jobs to be here.
Despite this, despite all individuals involved are well meaning, the system doesn’t allow us just to do our thing. We have to constantly worry about cash flow, gotta have sales and marketing people, gotta keep investors happy, gotta be on good sides of banks to secure loans etc.
It really does help emphasise how brainrotted our society is. Its the same kind of structural rot that leads to some of the nonsense thinking the Mr Beast production team have, that Folding Ideas talked about.
They are evil, you are just early. Give it some time, they will betray you like mine did as well.
Oh you have to do all those things? The money wouldn’t be better spent on groceries and stuff for the people you’re helping? Maybe some random dude would be 10x the CEO of that dude but he’s stuck behind a register getting minimum wage. So yeah I agree with you but I don’t really like your attitude of "I’m the one who can solve this so what I’m doing is right) maybe think about the fact some people literally do not have the luxury to "take a lower paying job*
this guy sounds like milei
i don’t think hospitals are like that unfortunately. the nurses techs and doctors are. but not the administrators
the same is true about universities and many other nonprofits fyi
Some are. I work for one. I have no doubt that the goal of the administrators of our hospital is to provide the best care possible for our community.
It helps that we are a non profit with no shareholders.
/s or no /s?
don’t dox yourself ofc. but I would love an example of. hospital whose administrators are prioritizing care over profit
Nah brother, somebody better pay me for my labor. It can be the state, but I ain’t doing this shit all for feels. Too much work for that.
-Nurse
Wages don’t count as profit, no worries. You can and should be paid well, but nobody should become a billionaire because they own a hospital.
They dropped their /s, right? Or maybe they accidentally got it backwards? The administrators are the fucking worst.
No that was their point. That the administrators are mercenaries. I’m just saying I damn well need some incentive to deal with the literal piles of shit I deal with myself. I’m not doing it all out of a bleeding heart.
