I think we would probably have to re-imagine our relationship with garbage to some extent. Take more personal responsibility for the garbage we create. Being a garbage collector would probably be a much more respected position too since they’re doing something that directly benefits the community.
Garbage collection doesn’t have to be a life sentence either. Maybe it’s just something you work for a couple months at a time. If people don’t care about the community littering would still be a problem. But is anarchism even possible if people don’t care about their community?
Ever met someone with autism? Them fuckers love garbage trucks
With an educational system focused on social goals rather than competitiveness, people would love to do something that positively impacts society like garbage collection or janitorial work. In fact, we can even see that in some capitalist countries where they hold socially beneficial work in high regard such as Japan
Loving garbage trucks is way different than genuinely enjoying being a person who collects refuse for living.
Even if society plays that they should be respected that does not automatically mean that there will be enough people who want to fill these positions.
That’s just an extension of the “who would clean the bathrooms?” “problem” (not really a serious issue just a lazy pro-capitalist-ideology rhetorical device)
Answer: The bathrooms need to be cleaned, so people would find a way to organize it being done.
Oh, just like garbage collection (and other things people don’t necessarily want/love to do) happened before/outside of capitalism.
Before capitalism they used slaves and criminals, and before that they didn’t take have sewage systems. You just went in the woods. Which worked when the population of the village was like 100 people - not so much when dealing with the shit of hundreds of thousands.
While it’s true there is no precedent for this amount of population and this complex of “sewage” requirements before or outside of capitalism, that doesn’t mean capitalism is necessary to manage a complex sewage system for a large population. When people use examples like this as a rationalization to say “capitalism is necessary” it is lazy and tunnel visioned. A million other considerations aside, the fact that capitalism is destroying the planet and making and keeping most peoples’ lives miserable, pointing to logistical challenges like “who will do this tough job” is not an excuse to maintain the coercion of capitalism’s sort of “slavery,” wage slavery. We will find a way to manage the “shit” especially since the infrastructure already exists, look, so much of it has been built and can just be managed in a different way. If we ever needed capitalism (debatable of course) we don’t anymore.
I’ll play
Garbage collection
I think we would probably have to re-imagine our relationship with garbage to some extent. Take more personal responsibility for the garbage we create. Being a garbage collector would probably be a much more respected position too since they’re doing something that directly benefits the community.
Garbage collection doesn’t have to be a life sentence either. Maybe it’s just something you work for a couple months at a time. If people don’t care about the community littering would still be a problem. But is anarchism even possible if people don’t care about their community?
Ever met someone with autism? Them fuckers love garbage trucks
With an educational system focused on social goals rather than competitiveness, people would love to do something that positively impacts society like garbage collection or janitorial work. In fact, we can even see that in some capitalist countries where they hold socially beneficial work in high regard such as Japan
Loving garbage trucks is way different than genuinely enjoying being a person who collects refuse for living.
Even if society plays that they should be respected that does not automatically mean that there will be enough people who want to fill these positions.
With Meth, you don’t even need autism.
Wait how do we get meth without capitalism? Would the gangs just produced drugs for the love of the game?
That’s just an extension of the “who would clean the bathrooms?” “problem” (not really a serious issue just a lazy pro-capitalist-ideology rhetorical device)
Answer: The bathrooms need to be cleaned, so people would find a way to organize it being done.
Oh, just like garbage collection (and other things people don’t necessarily want/love to do) happened before/outside of capitalism.
Before capitalism they used slaves and criminals, and before that they didn’t take have sewage systems. You just went in the woods. Which worked when the population of the village was like 100 people - not so much when dealing with the shit of hundreds of thousands.
While it’s true there is no precedent for this amount of population and this complex of “sewage” requirements before or outside of capitalism, that doesn’t mean capitalism is necessary to manage a complex sewage system for a large population. When people use examples like this as a rationalization to say “capitalism is necessary” it is lazy and tunnel visioned. A million other considerations aside, the fact that capitalism is destroying the planet and making and keeping most peoples’ lives miserable, pointing to logistical challenges like “who will do this tough job” is not an excuse to maintain the coercion of capitalism’s sort of “slavery,” wage slavery. We will find a way to manage the “shit” especially since the infrastructure already exists, look, so much of it has been built and can just be managed in a different way. If we ever needed capitalism (debatable of course) we don’t anymore.